Talk:Cincinnati

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Too many errors to count[edit]

For example - the Reds are not in any way the oldest franchise in baseball. The Braves are, by more than 10 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C1:400:D7B0:0:0:0:4 (talk) 10:19, 3 May 2018 (UTC)

According to the Braves' history site, they were founded on January 20, 1871[1]. According to the Reds' site, they trace back to the Cincinnati Red Stockings, which were founded on November 6, 1869[2]. Even the Braves' page states that "the Boston Red Stockings were incorporated by Ivers Whitney Adams with $15,000 and the help of Harry Wright, the "Father of Professional Baseball," who had founded and managed America's first truly professional baseball team, the Cincinnati Red Stockings." If there are other sources that contradict the baseball claims in this article please provide them. Enigmango (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, this article has some incorrect information. Char1disneyfan (talk) 12:22, 12 May 2018 (UTC)

What is incorrect? This section doesn't provide details for users who may want to help correct errors. Enigmango (talk) 14:44, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

References

"populace strife" section[edit]

The section itself is fine, but this strikes me as an awkward name for it. That being said I can't seem to come up with a better one at the moment. "Civil unrest" isn't all that much better. Thoughts? Beeblebrox (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2018 (UTC)

What about "Race relations"? The section is about race in Cincinnati, and the title would match the "Race relations" title in the History of Cincinnati article[1]. Enigmango (talk) 14:50, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Agreed and  Done. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:01, 7 June 2018 (UTC)

References

Refimprove[edit]

I don't understand why the refimprove template was removed. While this article contains many citations, much of the content is unsourced and the refimprove template is justified. This is preferable to tagging every instance of unsourced content with a citation needed template.

Comments? Cheers, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 15:33, 14 June 2018 (UTC)

Hi Oldsanfelipe. I actually think tagging every instance of unsourced content with a citation needed template would be preferable. That would make it a lot easier to identify and address specific issues, in my opinion. Would you be willing to do this? --MZMcBride (talk) 05:39, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
MZMcBride: First, my comment above is so wrong. I can now see that someone replaced the refimprove template with the multiple issues template while incorporating refimprove as an issue. My apologies. Second, I normally tag bomb an article *with page needed templates* if I intend to look for the citations myself. See Jesse H. Jones. Unfortunately, I don't know enough about Cincinnati to improve the copy of the article. Perhaps I am thinking about this the wrong way and you can offer advice. Thanks, Oldsanfelipe (talk) 12:55, 7 July 2018 (UTC) Edited once by Oldsanfelipe (talk) 13:53, 7 July 2018 (UTC)

nicknames and pork[edit]

Firstly, the list of nicknames in the infobox: “Cincy, The Queen City, The Fountain City, Paris of America, Albyon, Porkopolis, The Nati, The "513” (I just added “Porkopolis”) Cincy, sure, that’s a given. The Queen City is well-established and I believe somewhat official. Porkopolis I was surprised not to see there, and easily found a reference for it(it’s also mentioned in History of Cincinnati). The Nati, I’ve certainly heard. The 513 makes sense if you’re from there. The Fountain City and Albyon, no idea. Never heard either of those before. Paris of America either, but I’m guessing that’s historical or something. I’m looking at what is probably the definitive book on Cincinnati history, Cincinnati, The Queen City published by the Cincinnati Historical Society, and the index has no entry on Albyon, Fountain City, or Paris of America. (It does, however, mention that early settler John Cleves Symmes referred to North Bend as the “Egypt on the Miami” but I think we can let that one pass)

So, I’m thinking the list of nicknames needs trimmed, and these three are the low-hanging fruit of the bunch in my opinion. Further complicating matters is the other missing one: “The city of Seven Hills”. A bit old and not much used anymore except as the name of Seven Hills School but of historical import due to it having a relationship Rome for this very reason. Thoughts? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:05, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Update: it has just come to my attention that we have an entire article on this subject at Nicknames of Cincinnati, which repeats “Albyon” but offers no explanation of its meaning. I’m thinking that could maybe be merged here? Beeblebrox (talk) 20:13, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

merge Nicknames of Cincinnati?[edit]

Per the above section. It’s not a great article and seems to have a bit of original research. Seems like it could be trimmed down and made a section of this article. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:50, 2 August 2018 (UTC)

I’m gonna call WP:SILENCE and go ahead and do this when I have the time. Beeblebrox (talk) 21:38, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

 Done Beeblebrox (talk) 23:40, 4 September 2018 (UTC)

Information in article different than information in the cited source[edit]

According to the article "Cincinnati is also within a single day's drive of two-thirds of the United States populace." However, the cited source states "Cincinnati USA is less than a half-day car ride from 60% of the U.S. population."

I changed the article to reflect the correct information according to the source it was cited, but someone switched it back. I'm not sure why the incorrect information appears in the article. I'm switching it back to the correct information now and if someone wants to change it they should explain why they are citing one source and including different information in the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.165.149.82 (talk) 01:20, 12 November 2018 (UTC)

I imagine it's somewhat to do with semantics, specifically the meaning of "a days' drive." It was scripture when I was a kid that it takes two days to drive to Florida from there. Google tells me the drive to Daytona Beach is 885 miles and would take about thirteen hours. So technically you could drive there in half a day if you were so inclined, but most people won't drive for 13 straight hours and consider 6-8 hours "a day's drive" even if it less than half of an actual day. So I don't really think either statement is wrong. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:09, 20 January 2019 (UTC)

Timezone?[edit]

The addition of the timezone into the info box would be nice. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.190.159.197 (talk) 20:29, 9 October 2019 (UTC)

Removed incoherent sentence under Society[edit]

I removed: "Society, in a finer sense, and then the greater aspect of society which also deals in business, both have stayed communal in Cincinnati compared to metropolises along the United States coasts." That is poorly worded opinion at best and feels simply incoherent. If someone understands it and wants to reword and cite it please feel free.

I also removed a claim about it being a "national city" and a great city of the north south east and west as those aren't really factual or cited. PantsB (talk) 16:30, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Good call on both. There was someone adding all kinds of flowery nonsense to this article a year or two ago, I thought it had all been reverted but this sounds like their work. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:37, 30 November 2019 (UTC)

Townships[edit]

So, as I read the laws about local government in Ohio, incorporated places (cities and villages) overlay townships. However, in urban areas, when these places eventually incorporate all territory of a township its government ceases to exist and these townships become paper townships. This is what happened to Mill Creek Township, which was eventually incorporated into Cincy, St. Bernard, and Elmwood Place in by the 1950's.

However, another form of a paper township is when an incorporated place does not fully absorb the full territory of its township(s). Instead, the city or village legally withdraws from its township(s) creating a paper township so that whenever the city or village annexes additional land, it's simultaneously annexed into the paper township. Is this correct?

Anyway, Census maps (page 19) show Cincy as an incorporated city independent of its surrounding townships as marked by the "0". What I'm curious about, then, is when Cincy created its paper township and what is its name? I guess I'm confused about is that Cincy would have seemed to have had both kinds of paper townships, most of the city being in the defunct Mill Creek Township. But then what of the townships outside of Millcreek that Cincy annexed into? --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:11, 29 April 2020 (UTC)

Actually, I'm now seeing that a paper township cannot receive territory from an adjoing township. So the creation of a paper township really only fulfills its purpose if a city doesn't expect to annex additional land in the future. In any case, I'm still curious as to when Cincy withdrew from its townships, what the name of the paper township is? For it to be independent of its townships means that it hasn't annexed any additional land since it withdrew from its townships. --Criticalthinker (talk) 10:30, 29 April 2020 (UTC)