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Former featured article candidateSocial Distortion is a former featured article candidate. Please view the links under Article milestones below to see why the nomination failed. For older candidates, please check the archive.
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February 1, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
February 11, 2007Featured article candidateNot promoted
Current status: Former featured article candidate

Minor edits[edit]

Could you check the the "This is a minor edit" box when saving a minor edit? Most people don't display minor edits in the "Recent Changes" page, so it really would reduce quite a bit of clutter. Thanks. --Ortolan88 (talk) 04:00, 30 November 2002 (UTC)

Jonny vs. Johnny?[edit]

I think Jonny Wickersham's name is being misspelled all over Wikipedia. I thought maybe the credits were just wrong on the Live in Orange County DVD but I just saw on Social D's MySpace page that its spelled "Jonny" also. I'm going to fix it here and in the Johnny Wickersham article unless there are any objections or someone can provide proof otherwise. Downstream 16:22, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Ok, I changed it. Downstream 01:37, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Changing dates[edit]

I don't know why anons keep changing dates in this article, but I'm basing my edits on the discography on the Official site. Mommy's Little Monster was released in '83, and Prison Bound in '88. Unless you can back up your changes, don't make them.

I have the CD of Mommy's Little Monster and the year 1982 is clearly printed on the tray card and the disc, but the liner notes says it was recorded on Christmas Eve 1982. In any way, I don't see how it could be released in that year when it hadn't been recorded before the day the band recorded it and even if it was really released in 1982, then the correct recording year would be 1981 instead. 64.142.89.105 02:44, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
I had to change back the date to 1983 to Mommy's Little Monster, since it was recorded on December 24, 1982, according to the liner notes, which means that the album could never be released in 1982. I have the CD of the album too, but the tray card incorrectly says it was released in 1982, yes, but it seems that the record company is having a hard time getting their facts straight. I follow their official website very carefully and their discography does clearly state 1983, so does the Allmusic.com biography and the booklet of the 1998 live album Live at the Roxy? I trust the band very well than the back cover or any website that says Mommy's Little Monster came out in 1982. 130.65.109.102 00:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
I have the original album. I bought it immediately after it was released in 1983. I was the Entertainment Editor for the Fullerton College Hornet in 1983. I interviewed the band shortly after its release. It was definitely 1983.Scurry64 (talk) 13:20, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

John -> Matt[edit]

I had no clue where to put it but John did leave the band and Matt is the new member the info I posted is from the Social D offical web page and feel free to edit it all you want, but I just wanted to make sure the info is correct and have some refrence for why i edited the previous info

Singles[edit]

All the singles I added are from their official website. You click on "history" and then "discography", that's where you'll see them, in-case any one of you never been to their official website. -- Mike Garcia | talk 02:33, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup:Section[edit]

I put a cleanup tag on the History section because the text was unclear. -- DBBell | talk 7 December 2005

I cleaned up one part of it which was especially bad. Is there anything else on it that you think needs work? Fightindaman 05:48, 12 December 2005 (UTC)
204.228.220.175 vandalized the page, but I don't know how to revert it back. DBBell 17:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)
Good to go? Do people think that the cleanup tag can come down now? DBBell 03:45, 30 December 2005 (UTC)
Taking down {{cleanup}} tag - article has greatly improved thanks to everyone's efforts. DBBell 14:39, 9 January 2006 (UTC)

"Remained silent?"[edit]

What in the heck does "The band has remained silent three times" mean? I'd fix it but I can't understand it.

"The band remained silent three times" paragraph means that they have been on hiatus three times. They went on hiatus for the first time between the releases of Mommy's Little Monster and Prison Bound, then between the releases of Somewhere Between Heaven and Hell and White Light, White Heat, White Trash again, and their last hiatus was between White Light, White Heat, White Trash and Sex, Love and Rock 'n' Roll. Alex 15:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Girls, Cars and Loud Guitars[edit]

Where should information about the album, Girls, Cars and Loud Guitars be placed?--Filthy swine 16:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

categories[edit]

Social D should not have reunited musical groups as a category as they have never broken up, merely changed members.

Agreed, and the categorisation is now amended accordingly. Derek R Bullamore 22:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
It was me who added the category weeks ago. The band once broke up when singer Mike Ness was involved in a serious drug addiction and ended up in prison. When that happened, there was never a replacement for him. So, that's why I just restored the category. 65.222.216.15 17:30, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Ron Emory[edit]

I just saw Social D last week.. Ron Emory is no longer filling in. I removed him from the "Current Lineup" section and put him in "Previous Members".. however, i don't know how to move him to a different section in Template:Social Distortion.

History[edit]

Before anyone gets in a tizzy because I changed the info regarding the new album, please take the article for what it is. It states, and I quote "appear to be back in the studio working on their highly anticipated follow-up to 2004's "Sex, Love And Rock 'n' Roll", according to Punkbands.com." which is quoting another website. It does not say that they *are* in the studio recording, it says they "appear" to be "working" on a new album. But no where does it say they are recording and no one has verified this statement.

Brent Harding[edit]

I just recently saw Social Distortion in concert and I removed this paragraph from the new album section:

"There have been no announcements if current bassist Brent Harding will stay in the band permanently and it is unknown if line-up with him or the one with Maurer or Freeman will record it."

Actually, Brent Harding is still a member of the band and there has never been any evidence if previous bassist John Maurer or Matt Freeman will rejoin or not. The paragraph I removed seems more like awkward or POV. So, let's just keep this paragraph removed for now until some evidence is provided. 130.65.109.47 19:40, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

As noted on the official website, Brent is a permanent member of the band. Erikaeve 07:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

Discography[edit]

It seems that the usage of "galleries" in discographies is up for debate (whether or not it is legal to use images in this way) so I changed it to look like the Megadeth article which was a Featured Article and therefore I assume it was acceptable. Downstream 20:51, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

I should clarify that I have seen debate over "galleries" in discographies outside of an actual Discography page such as Social Distortion discography where the sole purpose is identification of each album therefore images are acceptable in that context because they are not merely decoration. Downstream 20:54, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
It's fine the way it was before you changed it. Instead of galleries, maybe I'll just change it to look like The Offspring's if you don't mind. Either way you want the discography to look like is fine. I was just concerned about why you changed it. Alex 21:07, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
That's cool - fine with me. I just don't want the gallery to be what holds the article back from being a Featured Article. The Offspring one looks good to me except I don't think the Release Date makes sense as being the first column - should probably be the Album title but that's probably being picky. Downstream 21:14, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Unsourced info[edit]

The band at one time included vocalist Tom Corvin, but soon thereafter Ness took over vocal duties when Corvin left for graduate school.[citation needed]. If anyone wants to add this back to the main article, please provide a source for the statement. Downstream 17:00, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Band member timeline[edit]

What do you all think of this as a new format for the band member line up? Downstream 17:41, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

I guess it looks fine. Since you've created that format, I've thought about making a page featuring a list of the band's past and present line-ups like the Cure personnel page. I'm think I'll call it "List of Social Distortion band members". Alex 19:16, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
That'd be cool, then we can keep both formats. Do you think it looks better without the albums or with? I kind of like the albums to show who worked on what but the maintenance could get tiresome. Downstream 19:24, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
Well, I just created the List of Social Distortion band members page and used the bottom template instead. Alex 19:45, 17 March 2007 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:Social Distortion-Young.jpg[edit]

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Danell's Death[edit]

The Social D official website says that Danell died of heart failure...is the aneurysm claim legit? User:Snyrt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.192.68.117 (talk) 17:45, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Genres[edit]

"Pop Punk" and "Alternative Rock" are ridiculous genres to ascribe to Soc D. In the latter case, sure they'll get airplay on alt rock radio, but so could any punk band that recieves some mainstream attention (Ironically, mainsteam punk= alternative rock). However, Alt rock is no genre that Mike Ness has ever tried to incorporate into his palate... it's the same as calling Rancid alt rock, since they're played on the same stations. Pop punk is way off also. Their songs are accessible, but do not derive that from pop influences, ala the Buzzcocks or Descendents, but rather from blues, rockabilly, country and rock n' roll influesnces. Thus, cowpunk and punkabilly are appropriate. Hardcore punk is an appropriate label for their early years; whatever the tag has come to mean, when first coined it included music like the Posh Boy stuff and Mommy's Little Monster, to say nothing of the band's lifestyle and ethic. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 01:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Ok... I'm using allmusic as a reference now which says they are Punk Rock and Alternative Rock... nothing else, I even went to allmusics harcore Rock page and they are not listed among the bands. You may add "American Underground", "L.A. Punk", "College Rock", "American Punk" of "Hard Rock" if you like but any other genres need to be cited.--Dr who1975 (talk) 18:50, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Funny enough, when I removed Alt rock and pop punk and then posted above, I was going to pointedly say "those are the kind of neutered labels AllMusic would use", but it slipped my mind in the course of typing. My above point stands, but have it your way. It's tough for me to leave SxDx with such a limp description, and if you want to look at Wiki's pages on CowPunk or Punkabilliy, or Hardcore Punk, you will see support for my perspective from knowledgable folks. But I'm not now about to invest the energy to distinguish between "original research" and such authoratative sources on underground music as AllMusic... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 23:27, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Opened a can of worms there didn't you. Well... find a decent source for the other genres and put them back. It shouldn't be that hard. I'm using the term "decent" very loosely in this case.--Dr who1975 (talk) 23:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Alternative rock? What the hell? They are NOTHING like Alternative rock. AllMusic sucks. They probably never listened to them. Alternative is becoming too widely used. I mean, Smashing Pumpkins are alternative rock, and these guys are nothing like them. I don't give a rip what it says in the article. I'm removing Alt, and why the hell not? In my opinion, that's an unreliable source. --me —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.46.143.10 (talk) 00:28, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

The point about the discussion page in the notes ismeant to say that you should post a comment and gather concensus before changing the genre. The fact of the matter is that Alternative Rock is a cited genre... if you wish to add genres with proper citations then please do so. --Dr who1975 (talk) 00:46, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
I think hardcore punk should be added as a genre because it's obvious, verifiable, and is listed under genres for the albums. Epigrammed (talk) 00:35, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I agree, AllMusic is bullshit, as well as the new stuff called "Google Music". AllMusic is a shitty place for music, I mean all critics review Simple Plan's song titled "When I'm Gone" as a pop punk track while in AllMusic is simply alternative rock. I mean, alt-rock bands is like The Smashing Pumpkins, Angels & Airwaves, the 2011 version of Blink-182, etc. And do NOT add Google Music as a reliable source! Simple Plan's When I'm Gone is also described as simply "pop" and there are emo songs that people and critics say it's emo and google say it as an alternative song. So, I think Soc D was never alternative rock, they're hardcore punk, it's way far. OliWay (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:51, 28 October 2016 (UTC)

Bad Religion as "leading hardcore band"[edit]

I edited BR out of the sentence which describes BR, along with SD, as a leading member of the 80's hXc scene once before, replacing them w/ Bad Brains, and they returned. So I replaced them with the Misfits this time. Look, I'm sure whoever is throwing BR in there is a big fan of them, but it just aint so that they were important in the early 80's when hardcore was taking shape. As the book American Hardcore by Steven Blush points out, BR never was billed higher than 4th on big multiple band shows. They were a mere footnote to that era. Their legacy begins with Suffer and the emergence of pop hardcore, a late 80's phenomenon, occuring after the original hXc scene was dead. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.164.147.147 (talk) 01:46, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Alternative rock[edit]

I know it says so on Allmusic, but as someone said before, The Smashing Pumpkins are alternative rock and a totally different kind of band. I strongly doubt "alternative rock" would be one of most places' first descriptions of Social D's sound. Don't matter if they got KROQ play; they're not R.E.M. --BlackMath77 (talk) 19:20, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Well, since it's been 9 days with zero opposition, it's being removed. --BlackMath77 (talk) 02:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
I put it back because it is a proper citation.--Dr who1975 (talk) 01:51, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
I'd prefer that you add a second source, because I have doubts too that they are alternative.--F-22 Raptor IV 02:17, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
There's been many discussion about this... Allmusic is a perfectly acceptable source.--Dr who1975 (talk) 02:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

No it's not. All music lists a million "styles" for this band, and this terming isn't even one of them. If we were going be their standards they should be listed on this site as:

  • College Rock
  • Punk/New Wave
  • Alternative/ Indie Rock
  • Punk Revival
  • Roots Rock
  • Alternative Pop/ Rock
  • Hard Rock
  • Punk
  • Rock & Roll

Give me a break.Hoponpop69 (talk) 00:07, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Rock and roll[edit]

What the heck? What does a punk band from the 1980s have to do with the likes of Little Richard and Chuck Berry from the 1950s? Tezkag72 (talk) 21:09, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

It doesn't matter when they came around, it's about the sound, and they definitely have a rock and roll sound in many of their songs. Tithonfury (talk) 02:28, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Date Founded[edit]

The link to the source that claims Social D was founded in 1978 is dead. I thought they were founded in 1979. So I looked it up on their website and it says:

http://www.socialdistortion.com/history/ "In 1979, 17-year old Mike Ness formed Social Distortion with drummer Casey Royer..."

So what's right now? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.176.209.44 (talk) 19:23, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

"Punk rock" in the lead[edit]

Why can't it just say "punk rock band" in the lead? Come on, they've played the style for 30 years consistently. Motorizer (talk) 19:03, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Not necessarily. Their sound has evolved a lot over the years. Read the "Musical style, influences, and impact" section (which needs referencing, BTW). Some sources, like Allmusic, classify them in non-punk genres such as hard rock, & alternative rock. What we really need to do is expand that section & support it with adequate sources, then we'll have a better idea of how to word the lead. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:59, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
But in the first sentence of their Allmusic bio, it sums them up as an "enduring L.A. punk band." Though they do some rockabilly, altrock, and hard rock, they're primarily cited as a punk rock band. Like, Black Flag did some metal, free jazz and instrumental rock, but are still primarily a punk band. Motorizer (talk) 00:17, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Pain, Death and Love's Lost Cause[edit]

"On June 25, 2010, it was announced that the name of the new record will be Pain, Death and Love's Lost Cause, though no release date has been set." I can't find a source for this, it's not even mentioned on the official Social D website nor did that site post an update on June 25th. Not only has the title been unconfirmed by the band, but their label or management, so I suggest somebody needs to fix this article or something until we get an official announcement. 68.171.234.137 (talk) 23:32, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

I changed it from "announced" to "reported" and removed an additional sentence that was, at best, original research. Additional verification or correction should hopefully be forthcoming. -- Kyle Maxwell (talk) 00:40, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
The Pain, Death and Love's Lost Cause title was actually a hoax. According to Mike, Hard Times and Nursery Rhymes is the title. OttoBR (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

Lollapalooza 2010[edit]

They weren't one of the headliners; while listed 7th on the bill, I was under the impression that only the top 6 were considered 'headliners', and the dropoff in font size seem to quickly support that. About to edit the article to adjust for that. KingAlanI (talk) 10:44, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Infobox[edit]

This article has formatting problems, which I picked up on review. Anyone care to clean it up?

--UnicornTapestry (talk) 19:34, 16 February 2011 (UTC)

Skelly[edit]

Has it ever been discussed as to whether or not we can upload an image of the bands mascot?Jasper420 02:46, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

"the next 3 albums were well recieved but not as successful as S/T"[edit]

Self titled has the most classic songs, but it isn't true that its the most successful. It peaked at like 128 in the U.S. wheras White Light White Heat peaked at 28 (see the respective wiki pages for these records). WLWHWTrash also went gold! Ness references this fact in a rant in Live at the Roxy. Its kinda like how for the Ramones, End of the Century was the biggest seller, even though it came after the more classic releases. SxDx benefitted, in '96, from the success of Green Day, Rancid, Offspring, et. al, so there was more commercial possibilities for any "punk" band on a major label or with otherwise high visibility... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 165.155.192.110 (talk) 15:36, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing that out. I just removed the "but not as successful as the self-titled album" sentence. 76.191.133.247 (talk) 00:50, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Best-selling punk rock band?[edit]

It would be nice if we find a better source for this paragraph: "They are considered one of the best-selling punk rock bands". I don't think using the Stereoboard UK article as a reliable source for this fact is valid because that article focuses on mostly Bad Religion and copies almost exactly what their Wikipedia article says. Record sales vary, and according to some sources or Wikipedia articles I saw, some of the "best-selling punk rock bands" are The Offspring, Green Day, The Sex Pistols, The Clash and The Ramones, I know all of those bands have sold a lot more records than Social D. List of best-selling music artists also doesn't list Social D. If they're really a "best-selling punk rock band", we should find a better source. 198.94.221.66 (talk) 18:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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Early History[edit]

I found a lot of info on the early history of Social Distortion:

http://www.pitch.com/news/article/20609776/channeling-social-d

http://innocentwords.com/rikk-agnew-the-o-c-life-is-not-the-life-for-him/

http://blogcritics.org/interview-casey-royer-of-80s-punk/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19rbfRGXbCk

So from what I can understand from all this, Casey Royer and Mike Ness first began using the name Social Distortion in 1976-1977. Steve Roberts, who was later a member of D.I. and the Adolescents was another early member. Rikk Agnew played bass, not guitar for Social Distortion, replacing former bassist Mark Garrett who is now dead. After Tom Corvin, who joined in 1978, left the group in the fall of 1979, Mike Ness brought in Dennis Danell and the other members left in part because they did not want to wait for him to learn. During this time, Casey Royer became the lead singer for another group named Social Distortion, which was disbanded when he joined the Adolescents. There is no mention of Frank Agnew being in Social Distortion. Should these details be added into the article?--DeathTrain (talk) 19:58, 20 April 2017 (UTC)

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